Firstly - I really appreciate the comment and the discussion on this one.
I don't really want to go into a tit-for-tat with Vox. But you do raise a point I'd like to address.
Honestly, the astrology stuff struck me as a strawman argument. I don't know a single woman who expects romantic encounters to occur by astrology. And, frankly, that doesn't even really make sense.
Personally, I don't give a fig for star signs. But I do understand that they're a way of grouping people's personality traits. A virgo matches a taurus (or whatever - it's not my bag).
At its core, astrology is not dissimilar to... say... sorting all men into a betas, omegas, and alphas.
Also, it's not the hard work I took issue with, or the talking to strangers. Self improvement is a wonderful pursuit, and goodness knows I love to strike up conversations with people I don't know.
But I DO question the wisdom of telling men to stand in a public area, and approach dozens of women, using the same tired lines, while they go about their day. It's cynical and a bit annoying.
By all means, learn how to have better conversations. Learn how to do active listening. But perhaps also learn how to read a room and pick up signals.
Great piece! I’ve always thought a lot of these men were just misguided at a time of vulnerability. Unfortunately picked up (lol) by other, nefarious men.
Self-improvement is the best "pick-up artist" strategy.
Absolutely.
I think girls just don’t like seeing how the sausage is made. They want attractive men to spring into their lives out of nothing, fully formed.
Girl: “omg I love your muscles!!”
Also girl: “omg I hate how much time you spend at the gym!!”
Girl: “omg I like talking to charismatic guyzzz!!”
Also girl: “omg why is this guy practicing talking to women on me??”
Of course, men are guilty of this too. We like your gorgeous thick perfectly arranged hair, but we hate how much time you spend at the salon.
I also don't like how much time I have to spend at the salon.
Agree. Like Vox noted, many women seem to believe that romantic encounters should only occur by magic or fate or astrology.
As with many other things, they do not see and do not *want* to see all the hard work men are doing behind the scenes.
Firstly - I really appreciate the comment and the discussion on this one.
I don't really want to go into a tit-for-tat with Vox. But you do raise a point I'd like to address.
Honestly, the astrology stuff struck me as a strawman argument. I don't know a single woman who expects romantic encounters to occur by astrology. And, frankly, that doesn't even really make sense.
Personally, I don't give a fig for star signs. But I do understand that they're a way of grouping people's personality traits. A virgo matches a taurus (or whatever - it's not my bag).
At its core, astrology is not dissimilar to... say... sorting all men into a betas, omegas, and alphas.
Also, it's not the hard work I took issue with, or the talking to strangers. Self improvement is a wonderful pursuit, and goodness knows I love to strike up conversations with people I don't know.
But I DO question the wisdom of telling men to stand in a public area, and approach dozens of women, using the same tired lines, while they go about their day. It's cynical and a bit annoying.
By all means, learn how to have better conversations. Learn how to do active listening. But perhaps also learn how to read a room and pick up signals.
It isn’t personal, especially not for Vox Day who takes nothing personally, and it isn’t about you.
Sigma Game is about analyzing and predicting male behavior. Your situation illustrated a male behavior that had interesting, if unfortunate, results.
Vox was not disparaging your reaction to the pickup artist; he was saying - look, men, this is what happens when you can’t fake high status.
Great piece! I’ve always thought a lot of these men were just misguided at a time of vulnerability. Unfortunately picked up (lol) by other, nefarious men.
They're mostly fine. A couple got rude and snarky, but I think their emotions are just a bit heightened.
I wish for these men to consume media which speaks more kindly to them.
Amazing stuff! I wonder if that dude buys an IKEA couch each week to destroy, and if his neighbors continue to avoid calling the cops?
I also had a lot of logistical questions.
I wonder if old mate will try and day game you at some point and he’ll be so overly prepared 🙄
"Old mate" is married, and I think he lives in Europe.